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Posted 14 June 2012 - 03:54 PM

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 01:12 AM

View PostHorne27, on 14 June 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

What I think is interesting, Is maybe if such a theory was true, That mediums and psychics, Are just tuning into information from the super computer. And life itself is a paradox of computers. And then that begs the question that we don't have free will and are just following a few lines of code. And that the afterlife is read, But in a computer form, And that the code that you are is just recycled, And you're living for the sake of living. And the reason when you die that you feel that you're are everything and yet yourself because we're all the same lines of code.


The ideas promoted in that video are far, far off from reality. It's more like a big advertisement or infomercial for a mistaken worldview. The comparison to the brain and a laptop computer is childish and absurd. A machine doing computations - no matter how fast - is just a machine. The promotion of the "Sims" game as a model of living reality is beyond absurd, and is just marketing at best (and social engineering at worst). These are all ideas that could only mean something to people who had lost all sense of what life is.

The highest form of "technology" is no technology at all. For example, all kinds of medical machines and drugs can be invented and used, ostensibly to cure illnesses, but wouldn't it be so much more intelligent to just avoid becoming sick? Industry is selling drugs for illnesses they don't even understand yet. And more people are made ill by the pollution generated in manufacturing medical technology than will ever be cured of anything by it. Look at all the military technology developed just for killing and subjugating people - wouldn't it be much "higher technology" and more intelligent if everyone just got along? So in that example, the technology is developed to serve a lack of intelligence rather than an abundance of it.

Rather, technology is weakening. If we all used crutches and wheelchairs our ability to walk would atrophy. All man-made technologies are imbalanced and produce incapacity in this way. If we extend one sense or function, another will be weakened in the balance. Computers can atrophy our memory and social skills and ability to be in contact with our true source - nature.

In terms of computational power providing a "reality", consider if computation alone can even properly describe reality. The following is from a NY Times article:

http://www.nytimes.c...search/13genome

"Ten years after President Bill Clinton announced that the first draft of the human genome was complete, medicine has yet to see any large part of the promised benefits. For biologists, the genome has yielded one insightful surprise after another. But the primary goal of the $3 billion Human Genome Project — to ferret out the genetic roots of common diseases like cancer and Alzheimer’s and then generate treatments — remains largely elusive. Indeed, after 10 years of effort, geneticists are almost back to square one in knowing where to look for the roots of common disease."

The video also completely ignores larger nature as any true source of being and consciousness. But that's what we all are. Why look for "God" in a man-made laptop when we are surrounded by creation every minute of every day? We didn't just "appear". Our "creator" is the entire cosmos - the universe, galaxy, solar system, and earth. We are just a function and expression of these larger things, and they are, all together, much more than just a "computer" that "made" us. A comparison between the functions of any kind of man-made switching box (that's all computers are) and the intelligence of the entire universe is just ridiculous. That comparison is silly even just comparing a laptop to a single human brain.

View PostHorne27, on 14 June 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

Also, If a God game like this does come out in ten years time, I will defiantly be playing!


That game has already been invented, and you are playing it now - but it isn't running on a computer.

View PostHorne27, on 14 June 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

But if you could speak to your creations and they believed they were alive, I wouldn't tell them that they are code. It would be too harsh. ^_^


Think about that in terms of people's false egos, the illusions they make up (and are helped to make by media and education) about themselves to replace reality with controllable ideas. This is a key idea in many ancient spiritual traditions, the breaking free of false ego. That video is just going the other way and taking that false ego deeper into irreconcilable illusions and manipulations. But I'm sure they'll sell more laptops and more people will play the "Sims" game based on this kind of advertising/propaganda.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 12:19 PM

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:16 PM

The video that Horne linked to is part of a Science channel documentary hosted by Morgan Freeman called Through the Wormhole.
It's part of the larger episode called "Is there a creator" which has a lot of populist cosmology and quantum physics theory and other science theory.
It's interesting if you view both two parts, you can find them by searching Youtube for "Morgan Freeman Through the Wormhole" and the "Is there a Creator links should come up easily.

The documentary series also covers questions of time travel and scientific explanations for the sixth sense, which I link to here. This is interesting and should be some merit to people who are exploring psychic phenomena.
This episode has scientific testing and proof of sixth sense as well as The Global Consciousnous project. Basic precognition is proved here, as well as a kind of "telepathy" (my words, not theirs) etc etc.
http://www.youtube.c...&feature=relmfu
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Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:15 AM

View Postangelina12, on 15 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

The video that Horne linked to is part of a Science channel documentary hosted by Morgan Freeman called Through the Wormhole.


Yes, as in those "worm holes" found below, in the ground, with worms crawling in them. That's where they take the audience.

View Postangelina12, on 15 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

It's part of the larger episode called "Is there a creator" which has a lot of populist cosmology and quantum physics theory and other science theory.


"Populist' is right on, but the "quantum physics theory" and "science theory" part is s real stretch. They say in the video that the universe is made up of "pixels". Not only is that no part of any theory in physics, it's a ridiculous idea - if you know what a "pixel" actually refers to. MOST of the "science" statements in the video are equally bogus and misleading.

They equate computational speed (of a machine) with intelligence. Does that mean a blender that can chop more onions faster is more intelligent? Ridiculous. A motor making a blade go around is not so much unlike an array of switches clicking on and off (which is what computer processing chips do). Presenting circuits of "on/off" switches as intelligent beings and the makers and users of them as "gods" is just pure hucksterism, not science. So you might not want to trade-in your brain for a laptop, no matter what these guys are selling. And I think it's funny too that people who don't even fully understand ordinary intelligence and reality, and cannot fully explain either, are telling consumers they are ready to manufacture artificial intelligence and artificial reality. They don't even understand what to base it on!

Here is a quote by Hans-Joachim Bremermann, the guy who coined the term "transcomputational", which refers to the limits of computer data processing:

"My discussion of ultimate limitations on the speed and amount of data processing may be summarized like this: Problems involving vast numbers of possibilities will not be solved by sheer data processing quantity. We must look for quality, for refinements, for tricks, for every ingenuity that we can think of. Computers faster than those of today will be a great help. We will need them. However, when we are concerned with problems in principle, present day computers are about as fast as they ever will be."

In terms of computers as we know them ever becoming "intelligent", here is an interesting paper on that subject that shows some of the actual fumbling behind the propaganda in that video. By contrast, the Morgan Freeman video wouldn't give anyone a real idea of the issues involved. They'd just be thinking about a laptop and a brain as being comparable, which goes way beyond simplification into pure, and quite manipulative, hyperbole:

http://muehlenbein.org/algo95.pdf .

"Algorithms data and hypotheses - Learning in open worlds - Heinz Muhlenbein"

"Intelligence has been taken by many scientists to emerge from the complexity of the interconnections between the neurons of the brain I have argued in this paper that it seems to be impossible to model this interconnection scheme on a computer. It is transcomputational. It seems therefore fruitless to build an intelligent system by a "copy the brain" approach. The most promising way is the learning-from examples approach Unfortunately this approach suffers from the induction problem,,,"

The gist being that they can't make a machine like a brain because they don't understand how a brain really works, so maybe they can instead make something that imitates what a brain does. Problem is, they don't really understand what a brain does.

Maybe that's why that "scientist" in the video had both his brain and his computer in a box! Or,,, maybe, did that just represent what he was trying to do to the audience's brain? Seems so.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 04:31 PM

Thanks for your insights, Sascha, have you viewed the Sixth Sense documentary of the same series?

I believe I was convinced, however, I admit to falling into the mindset of populism, which is perhaps not a good thing. I am no scientist, nor anything of that description...
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Posted 17 June 2012 - 08:06 AM

View Postangelina12, on 16 June 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

Thanks for your insights, Sascha, have you viewed the Sixth Sense documentary of the same series?


I think it's sort of hilarious that in the one episode of the series they portray the brain as such a "mystery" and then in the other episode of the same series, the one with the laptop and brain in a box, they claim to be "god" because they can duplicate the brain with a computer. By,,, making a video game? Ha ha ha! A video game is no different than a story you type in your word-processing software. You can say it's suddenly raining outside in your typing, but the world outside is still the same. Does that make you "god"? They want people to get into "virtual reality" because, unlike nature, that can be changed by typing a few lines of words, some simple instructions to a computer running a display of imagery. Just like you can control a painting of a forest so much easier than a real forest. And like Morgan Freeman says in the "6th sense" video, "what's actually happening in our brains when we are conscious of something is still a complete mystery". No kidding. The audience has low-level aluminum, lead, fluorine, mercury, cadmium, manganese, and hormone-interrupter poisoning and can't pay attention to much beyond a simple manipulation of their emotions and a few buzzwords. Then they have a few drinks. No wonder consciousness eludes them.

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I believe I was convinced, however, I admit to falling into the mindset of populism, which is perhaps not a good thing. I am no scientist, nor anything of that description...


We are all "scientists" in that we generally learn by what is known as the "scientific method" of experiential testing. "Education" has taught most people to divide their concerns into manageable "sections" that are truly imaginary. That makes everyone partial. Kings did this with their court, hiring many different "specialists", none of whom knew the whole context for what they were collectively producing. Only the "King" sat above it all and could see the aggregation of the knowledge of all the specialists as one thing. The same racket is completely widespread today, with everyone a compartmentalized worker who leaves the running of their lives up to the central authority which trained them. It's only true for you if you actually live that way though, so study everything. That's what computers are good tools for, by the way - pattern recognition, data aggregation, and correlative data analysis. If anyone is playing "god" (or "King") with computers, that is what they are doing, not playing video games.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 05:58 PM

Athiesm is a paradox.
It impplies everything is fated and predetermined. and the world praises God.
The world comes from something and nothing comes from nothing.
Something always was and always is. GOD. simple.

Athiesm is a delusionist attempt at ignoring logic.
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Posted 29 March 2014 - 04:19 AM

View PostArd DeRio, on 28 March 2014 - 05:58 PM, said:

Athiesm is a paradox.
It impplies everything is fated and predetermined. and the world praises God.
The world comes from something and nothing comes from nothing.
Something always was and always is. GOD. simple.

Athiesm is a delusionist attempt at ignoring logic.


Logically, there is no proof god exists. Science exists. So those who are atheist are simply following what we as a world know -- which is that we cannot prove or disprove that a higher power is really there. There's nothing wrong with being an atheist. It's just another persons viewpoint and opinion, something we are all very accepting of here.
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