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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:56 AM

With tales of exorbitant charges in return for "casting spells","removing bad luck" or "dark energies" and "performing" all sort of other "magic", some people wonder if there should be a registration board for psychics.

The idea has some strong supporting arguments. For example, dishonest practitioners would have someone to answer to and the abject client would have recourse to a way of getting a refund.

On the other hand this may be difficult to set up. What would the criteria for registration be; and who would decide on a range of suitable fees to charge?


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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:06 PM

I think it's a better idea to make good information readily available so people can make up their own minds about a practice or practitioner.

If you've ever been involved in a writers group you'll know how tetchy people can get about having their masterpieces scrutinized. And I once talked to an artist who said the idea of an artists group was not a good one - fist fights would break out on a regular basis. A registration board made up of psychics who decide whose work is good and whose is not? I think I feel an idea for a sitcom coming on.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 04:18 PM

Registration in other fields like doctors, engineers, lawyers, and science, requires the taking of complex examinations. I'm not sure how proper this would be in the psychic realm. Would it be reasonable for registered psychics to have to pass some kind of repeatable scientific method based test?
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 07:14 PM

Actually I think they should have some kind of accreditation, but not sure exactly what that should be.
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:09 AM

By registration we create an elite, and an elite inevitably becomes corrupted. What we will end up with is a body of professional charlatans, examined by charlatans who's task, consciously or otherwise, is to eliminate anyone of worth.

Psychic faculty is in it's infancy within the human kingdom and has a long way to go before it becomes a reliable extension to human consciousness. If we set arbitrary standards based on our current understanding of the term we will fix forever in stone concepts and practices that depend for their efficacy on their flexibility, and potential for growth within our understanding.

In short, we will have what we now see in psychology where everyone becomes a psychologist and anyone who has a dream, vision or contact of an unusual nature is automatically viewed as delusional by those who cannot see past their technical education to grasp a world of future possibilities.

We should be careful what we sow, for with the vine of good intentions may grow the creeper of destruction. The principle of good husbandry is a universal concept applicable not just to the nurturing of plants but to the formation of legislative structures. We micro manage the statute book at our peril.

The "socialistic" instinct to control the excesses of the "capitalistic" drive is in my opinion counter productive as it places such a burden of restrictions on those it is trying to protect that it's natural allies turn eventually against it.
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 10:40 AM

I think this is a great idea, but I wonder how they would become "registered"?
A test? Feedback from clients?
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:03 PM

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By registration we create an elite, and an elite inevitably becomes corrupted. What we will end up with is a body of professional charlatans, examined by charlatans who's task, consciously or otherwise, is to eliminate anyone of worth.


I think this would very likely be the outcome.

And it's difficult to see what would be being controlled. Many people go to psychics for predictions about their future job, love life etc. I know one psychic who gave up practicing because this was all anybody ever asked about. Many of the predictions will be wrong. I can see a rather large can of worms here.

The basic problem is that there is now a psychic industry that caters to lowest common denominator demand in order to make money. You see it all the time - 95% accurate predictions!! Nobody is 95% accurate about anything, let alone predictions about the future. The reality is that a psychic can give you another perspective on your life and nothing more. Often the psychic is not clear where the information or the voice or the images are coming from. The industry as a whole needs to seriously examine what it's doing and what it's telling an uneducated and often vulnerable public before it could possibly consider regulation.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:58 AM

I think they should, even though the testing mechanisms might be a little strange (I mean, how would you regulate psychic-ness?) But either way I think it should be regulated somehow, because I've been to some really awful psychics who I'm sure are doing it for the money and fame over helping people. In any business, you get the people who are doing it for money and fame. It'd be nice if we could regulate it somehow.

Isn't there a psychics registry in the UK? I heard about it once, I'm not sure if I dreampt it or saw it on a forum somewhere... :huh:
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 06:29 PM

once something becomes registered it becomes a circle of corruption. in the past medicine was about healing people and right now it's about making money. i don't want the same to happen with psychics... and i don't even want to imagine what would happen if they would find psychics with extraordinary abilities other than clairvoyance...
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:05 AM

lol

Is it really necessary ...

I mean the thingz we say and forumz we go to...
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:17 PM

It would help many people realize psychic phenomena is true and is available to everyone. It could be a test, for example: different colored flashcards while the psychic with their eyes closed "guess" them, predicting heads or tales and alike tests. It would be of help in proving the accuracy of the reader and clients would trust more.

However, Pinony expressed something that would backfire psychics: if scientists and government figures discover other abilities more impressive, I would not like to be a guinea pig for any government or being under someone's control because they want me to help them in war or something like that as it happened with the psychic who had no choice other than helping Hitler in the second world war.
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:11 PM

Precisely, what Villani16 said. I'm scared that scenarios like from X-men would be possible, or they would get even more complicated and tragic.
Weren't they also making experiments in the past on people who seemed to be capable of psychokinesis? I remember reading about those things happening in Russia and Germany, and those people were brutal with the psychics they experimented on
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:41 AM

I had a conversation with a young man, maybe 25 years old that was very upset at what I was doing. He said he was a Psychic, but looked more like a Eminem impersonator. I have always been a pretty intuitive person towards those that lie to me and finally got out of him, he was a scam artist.

Having arena's where they can be trusted and tested before listing is self regulating and the best way to go.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:07 PM

Sweet Topic Victoria!! Once I read the topic I was eager to burst with my ideas so please excuse the length as I want to expand on Kai, Angel, Cassie,and Brett's thoughts.

I personally think it would be a great thing. :dance: Maybe not so much that EVERY psychic be registered but every psychic who plans on making money should be certified and registered. The system could be a little old school but modernized. For example, There would be levels of competence that psychics have to achieve. I tried googling ranking systems for craftsmanship and the first thing that came up was a Wiki page for the definition of "Guild." Which when I saw that I was like well hot dog, I've always referred to this forum as just that "The Guild." :D

"A guild (German: Gilde) is an association of craftsmen[/women] in a particular trade. The earliest types of guild were formed as confraternities of workers...The guild was made up by experienced and confirmed experts in their field of handicraft. They were called master craftsmen. Before a new employee could rise to the level of mastery, he had to go through a schooling period during which he was first called an apprentice. After this period he could rise to the level of journeyman..."

The registration process could work along those lines somewhat (without the weird secret society connotations). At the very beginning instead of Apprentice you could be like student or novice. Granted it's like the same thing, but this is where people who are interested in becoming a psychic take classes to learn the basics, meditation, cleansing, the terminology etc. After say 3-6 mo or whatever they test and meet with potential masters. This is when the guild can suggest a different career choice, more inner work (as they may not be mentally or spiritually ready) or a master can take them in as an apprentice.

The first level is working as an apprentice under a "master" psychic (I would LOVE to hear a better term for that one). You'd learn the "tools" of the trade and the ethics involved with being a psychic as well as some psychology or some sort of human relations course. Last thing you want is psychics out there that doesn't know how to talk to people! :lol: They would go through some testing but most of the work they do will be for feedback you get from clients. Because psychic accuracy is subjective, psychics really need to have these comments for their work. It's like their recommendation letter and it would be even more helpful for the apprentice than at any other level. Or the psychics could be tested and have "secret clients" like there are "secret shoppers" for retail facilities too make sure that they're not only accurate but not a charlatan before you allow them to get to the next stage. At this point you don't get paid much but it's decent amount.

After a number of years, you could move up to Journeyman, this is when you can work on your own without having to be beholden to a master. They need to do certain tasks before being considered for master. Kinda like the independent study grads do before getting their doctorates. For example you can make tasks necessary in order to proceed to the next level. Like find a missing person (dead or alive) and help the police (not necessarily solve a case). But also at this point they can define themselves a specialty and maybe just work to really hone in on that ability. They will still be in touch with their master in order to do so and to get a recommendation to possibly proceed to the next level. Also this is where the truly gifted psychics would come in as they could probably go through the apprenticeship 'courses' much faster. At this level they would get paid a bit more.

The last level would be I dunno, just Psychic? Master just sounds odd. Yes there will be those who are truly gifted and could just just to this level but the catch is that yes you will make more money than at any other level but as the saying goes "with great powers come great responsibilities." The main catch to reaching the highest level is that you have to take in an apprentice(s) under your wing. You can only reach this level if you have proven that you have the ability to not only be awesome at your craft but that you can teach others as well. At this point yes they will make more money but there will be a 'tax' to their time as they have to give back with their time for what will be given kinda like doctors have to take continuing education classes. After your apprentices graduate to the next level you can choose to continue teaching, be affiliated wit the organization or just be on your own and/or have your registry available to the public as a Master psychic (although you'd have to pay a fee or take a 'test' every few years to keep your registration current with the facility in charge as they will still hold your info available as a reference). If they don't want to have their registry open to the public their could be 'case workers' that are familiar to your work that will refer a client to you after speaking with/screening them.

Mind you I'm talking about psychics for hire who are registered and available to the public. Those with extraordinary abilities are a separate matter. Personally I look at this format more like the certification and registration programs that personal trainers have to go through when we're hired at a gym. You have to put in a number of hours, keep a number of clients consistently and then take tests and learn new skill sets before proceeding to the next level. Because it's all a matter of preference and since we all work to help people we need to be on our game, otherwise we loose clients and/or people will get hurt.
People want to speak to a psychic and will seek us out. Plus there will be people who can only afford certain psychics at a specific price range and knowing what kind of experience you're paying for says a lot. That'll stop people from paying exorbitant amount of money to people who don't know much and have very little if any experience. With the addition of specialties the client can pick who they want to talk to or talk with rep that will guide them to the right psychic. With this system it would take a number of years, say 2 years in the fastest time, at apprenticeship and you won't get people who are just in it for the money. They really need to put in the work not just psychically but do volunteer work, help their 'masters' etc, and they won't get paid much in the very beginning. Being an apprentice is really a part time job unless they want to speed up the process and work a lot more. But this process requires rest so I doubt many can do that successfully. The journeyman and beyond would be closer to a full time job and since they put in the time and effort they will deserve more.

Then there's the Perk, once this Organization/Registration process is in effect you can put it out there that your members went through rigorous training and testing. Anybody else that doesn't have that accredidation is someone you take a chance on. And although that Cleo chick ruined it for many psychics, advertising will be helpful if you want to make sure that the certified psychics get the chance to help and stop people from going to those charlatans. The question however is, how does it get started to begin with?? who's gonna be the master trainer?? and is that person capable?? I think because as a whole we believe in the power of love and the light if we join together we could make a better name for us and push out the darkness that taints our practices. As for elitist thing, there will be good honest psychics that might loose business because they're not registered. Maybe it would push them to be so and they can go on a special accelerated track if they wish to move on. And Yes granted there are some obnoxious mugs out there but you have to think about what they're dealing with, if they're constantly dealing with intense negative energies it's gonna leave them a little jaded. That's why making sure this accreditation comes from a positive place where helping others for goodness sake is where you start and becomes your foundation. There are established places that have good people who really want to learn and help and its up to the facilitators to make sure that their members continue to do so. Kind of like this place :wub:

And well, that's my rant and my ideas. I really think it would be so much more helpful to be certified psychics and a registry will help steer people away from scammers.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 07:20 PM

Even though those ideas sound good, I think scammers would go through with it, just to have the "okay" next to their name. I think the most important thing, especially for this registry, is that it is open for reporting psychics (in their registry). For example there could be a page with "What is not okay" and they could report this accordingly. There should be a link on every page, and people who see psychics via register would have to feel confident being able to report their psychic. A lot of them are probably under emotional stress and are not sure what's right or wrong, even when presented with the correct information. That said, there could be a hotline for psychic counsellors, maybe, so people could better process what they were told, etc. So not psychics themselves, but a free line or chat room where people can talk about their concerns and etc.

Also I love the idea of a pricing search, if one existed that would definitely need to be there. Perhaps there could be a page where people write reviews for their psychics, commenting on style/accuracy, and perhaps even have a 'pick a star' thing on some areas - not sure what they'd be.

Anyway, while I agree that this sort of thing might be hard to go work, just because of the logistics. I'm not sure about the training aspect. They definitely have to agree to follow certain ethical guidelines, and risk being kicked if they don't follow them. That's the most important thing. I'm not sure that 'training' is necessary. But perhaps potential psychics could be screened with some 'undercover see-a-psychic' people who are actually working for the register, once the psychic's had their application put in. There might be ethical issues with that, but I think if the psychic isn't told that they're going to be seen by somebody under cover, it could potentially be very good at screening out several risky psychics. Like 3 people go to see the one psychic, and they each provide their feedback, etc.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:17 AM

I'm really unsure if I could believe that after the initial screening, then years of "training" which includes the secret shoppers or as you put it "undercover see a psychic people", and being monitored by a member(s) of the registry and the constant feedback from clients that you would still get a scammers that would try that hard to be considered psychic. I mean not for nothing they normally don't get paid well enough to have it full time. The whole reason scammers exist is because it's easy for them to do the work as no one will check on them. If you make the work difficult you're unlikely to get someone that lazy and apathetic to do it. If you can implement a system where the people who really want to do the work are the only ones to involve themselves it would really deter those people away. You would have a community of people watching what you do and clients to support the work done.

Maybe as Dot suggested there would be people who would not only counsel the clients but screen them and make sure they'd be willing to provide feedback. Like a marginal discount on the reading or the next to assure they provide a review of the good and the bad of the experience. Maybe even have those counselors be responsible for checking back with the clients if they clients want them to. It would definitely rely heavily on client feedback, how to get them to actually take the time to review their experience is difficult. It's hard enough on this site to get people you give readings to to give you feedback and what we do is for free! LOL And maybe that's it, maybe if as an apprentice the only way you get in is through the hours you put into the school/registry or something. Your fee goes to you but you split it with yourself, registry and your 'teacher.' I don't know even about that last bit, definitely requires more thought.

I tend to disregard those who give any profession a bad name and I choose to focus on the good that the passionate people bring to their work. Despite all those people that give every profession a bad name what needs to be the focus is the good that we as a group can do. If every time someone wanted to do something great that would benefit others but decided against it because of some bad apples we would be no where. It could never be a perfect system, and you can never please everybody as we're only human. But it should be a work in progress.

Nonetheless it's a matter of strategy. See the goals that you want to achieve, find the means to accomplish them, meanwhile find the things that would set you back and find a means to remove or manage them. Never let the negative people be the reason you don't do something but the reason why you should do something about it. Maybe the question now is how important is it to help prevent scammers from giving psychics a bad name and hurting innocent people and their pockets while and giving some validity to the work real psychics do? If scammers are a problem what other means can we think of to reduce their number or deter them?

And no training? Really? I think we've evolved so much and there's so much information out there that it would be of great benefit to learn. Especially if you're new like so many who want to be psychic but have yet discovered their innate gifts. Plus learning keeps you honest. Doesn't it? :huh:
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:06 AM

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And no training? Really? I think we've evolved so much and there's so much information out there that it would be of great benefit to learn. Especially if you're new like so many who want to be psychic but have yet discovered their innate gifts. Plus learning keeps you honest. Doesn't it?

Well, I guess there isn't any harm in it. It would probably help, especially if you're new.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 12:56 PM

Fact: Most true psychics don't even really try to make money off of their ability, I agree to have it regulated, the only problem is, how would you regulate it? Also, why are the governments interested in doing this, makes me wonder...
I've been using my ability in order to try and help others since July 2010. If you need someone to talk to after being through spiritual trauma or turmoil of any kind, I promise I'll talk to you, I promise I won't call you crazy, and I promise that I will do my best to help you find a way to leading a happier life, but do keep in mind, I can't do miracles, some things you will have to do on your own.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 04:45 PM

Governments are interested in this? Since when?
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 06:39 AM

Dot, a registry has to be created by the government, right? Or am I confusing this with something else?
I've been using my ability in order to try and help others since July 2010. If you need someone to talk to after being through spiritual trauma or turmoil of any kind, I promise I'll talk to you, I promise I won't call you crazy, and I promise that I will do my best to help you find a way to leading a happier life, but do keep in mind, I can't do miracles, some things you will have to do on your own.

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